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Re: Post Game Analysis: AFL 2021 Rd 12: Carlton vs West Coast - Professer E - 06-06-2021
I'm sorry I'm not buying what you're selling. Elapsed form says the chances of us beating anybody are very slim. To get to 11 wins we need to get 7 from 11. I applaud your fanatical optimism, but reality says that prediction is wildly optimistic and utterly unrealistic.
Re: Post Game Analysis: AFL 2021 Rd 12: Carlton vs West Coast - ElwoodBlues1 - 06-06-2021
(06-06-2021, 10:39 AM)Milhanna13 link Wrote:Not sure how many he missed today, from 30 outHe was the one quoting finals, he is accountable for the entire administration and his mate Lloyd is accountable for the footy dept, he sacked the head of list management and gave his mates the job.
We lost to a undermanned WC team through lack of effort not through poor goal kicking....
The buck stops with Liddle and Lloyd this time...not the usual sacrificial lamb in the coach.
Re: Post Game Analysis: AFL 2021 Rd 12: Carlton vs West Coast - kruddler - 06-06-2021
(06-06-2021, 11:18 AM)Professer E link Wrote:I'm sorry I'm not buying what you're selling. Elapsed form says the chances of us beating anybody are very slim. To get to 11 wins we need to get 7 from 11. I applaud your fanatical optimism, but reality says that prediction is wildly optimistic and utterly unrealistic.Prediction is based on nothing but exposed form.
We lose to top 8 sides.
We beat sides outside the 8......but lose 1 we shouldn't.
That gets you to 11-11.
Re: Post Game Analysis: AFL 2021 Rd 12: Carlton vs West Coast - ElwoodBlues1 - 06-06-2021
(06-06-2021, 11:20 AM)kruddler link Wrote:Prediction is based on nothing but exposed form.Saints have the biggest losing average but does anyone seriously think we could beat them given our form and their past record against us.
We lose to top 8 sides.
We beat sides outside the 8......but lose 1 we shouldn't.
That gets you to 11-11.
Apart from Nth I wouldnt rate us as favorites vs any team...
Re: Post Game Analysis: AFL 2021 Rd 12: Carlton vs West Coast - Thryleon - 06-06-2021
As dissatisfied as I was with that we could have won that with better conversion.
West Coast took their chances better, but we are a side void of confidence and fitness.
We carry 4 or 5 that don't look capable of playing 4 quarters each and every week.
Harry going down was a big issue and as much as I like de koning he isn't a 4 quarter player at this stage.
Re: Post Game Analysis: AFL 2021 Rd 12: Carlton vs West Coast - Micky0 - 06-06-2021
(06-06-2021, 11:18 AM)ElwoodBlues1 link Wrote:He was the one quoting finals, he is accountable for the entire administration and his mate Lloyd is accountable for the footy dept, he sacked the head of list management and gave his mates the job.agree
We lost to a undermanned WC team through lack of effort not through poor goal kicking....
The buck stops with Liddle and Lloyd this time...not the usual sacrificial lamb in the coach.
Re: Post Game Analysis: AFL 2021 Rd 12: Carlton vs West Coast - Thryleon - 06-06-2021
(06-06-2021, 11:23 AM)ElwoodBlues1 link Wrote:Saints have the biggest losing average but does anyone seriously think we could beat them given our form and their past record against us.
Apart from Nth I wouldnt rate us as favorites vs any team...
The one positive thing this season i can say is that we could beat anyone, even though we most likely won't.
Out of form and confidence.
Re: Post Game Analysis: AFL 2021 Rd 12: Carlton vs West Coast - ElwoodBlues1 - 06-06-2021
(06-06-2021, 11:25 AM)Thryleon link Wrote:The one positive thing this season i can say is that we could beat anyone, even though we most likely won't.I think we lack players in key areas, have too many of a certain type of player and not enough depth in other areas.
Out of form and confidence.
In short I think we need a list reset with an emphasis on the midfield, the Williams move was a failure trying to cheat with him as a mid and Martin is the same at this point in time as a part time mid and we need more specialist midfield support for Cripps and Walsh urgently.
Re: Post Game Analysis: AFL 2021 Rd 12: Carlton vs West Coast - LoveNavy - 06-06-2021
(06-06-2021, 11:36 AM)ElwoodBlues1 link Wrote:I think we lack players in key areas, have too many of a certain type of player and not enough depth in other areas.
In short I think we need a list reset with an emphasis on the midfield, the Williams move was a failure trying to cheat with him as a mid and Martin is the same at this point in time as a part time mid and we need more specialist midfield support for Cripps and Walsh urgently.
True enough. The game is won in the midfield. We haven't got close to putting a combination of reliable consistent mids together. At best it's been piecemeal. Not sure if the personnel will come from the current list, or arrive off season.
This group needs to have the balance of inside/outside attributes. They need to have the experience that enables them to know who/how/when to use their teammate. That takes time although can happen quite quickly with a consistent line up.
Due to injury, form, coaching decisions, underdevelopment, or favour, we've not seen that midfield play together. Think about the midfielders we have: Murph, Ed, Cripps, Setters, Samo, Fisher, Kennedy, Dow, LOB, Walsh, Stocker, Philp. Once we see this midfield get games together, I think we'll see more wins.
Dare to dream that this coming together coincides with some good health and form of the fwd/back lines ?
Re: Post Game Analysis: AFL 2021 Rd 12: Carlton vs West Coast - shawny - 06-06-2021
(06-06-2021, 11:20 AM)kruddler link Wrote:Prediction is based on nothing but exposed form.
We lose to top 8 sides.
We beat sides outside the 8......but lose 1 we shouldn't.
That gets you to 11-11.
We lost to Collingwood - Aren’t they 3rd last and also lost to a VFL version of west coast. Is that team they fielded today a top side? Please.
How you think beating GWS away after the bye is any easier then our last 2 losses is beyond me.
Your correct our 4 wins were against bottom sides but all 4 we should have comfortably accounted for yet all except the dockers were underwhelming wins.
We lost to 4 top teams imo in Melbourne, bulldogs, port and tigers.
The other losses were to teams we should be beating imo if we had improved as we all expected but we failed all those challenges.
Hope your right about us storming home but it’s more wishful thinking then reading our formline so far.
A midfield consisting of Cripps who looks about as unfit as any midfielder I’ve ever seen, a 50 game star In Walsh and then a cooked tagger in Ed so good luck trying to compete with anyone with any confidence when thats your midfield. And remind me all the stars we have waiting on the injury front to help fill those massive holes. We are miles off it.
Time to take off the blue glasses mate.