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Re: Post Game Analysis: AFL 2021 Rd 11: Carlton vs Sydney - kruddler - 05-30-2021
(05-30-2021, 01:40 PM)Gointocarlton link Wrote:Nah they've just owned us for so long, form means nothing. We are Carlton.Anything is possible.
Even if we end up 9-13 like you predict.
That a win % of 41%.
Last year we had a win % of....yep....41%.
With the injuries we've had this year, you'd just about take that.
....and that is IF we don't win anymore than you predict.
Re: Post Game Analysis: AFL 2021 Rd 11: Carlton vs Sydney - Gointocarlton - 05-30-2021
(05-30-2021, 01:43 PM)kruddler link Wrote:Anything is possible.Its what I expected, however not what the Richmond F-wit and his cohorts expected.
Even if we end up 9-13 like you predict.
That a win % of 41%.
Last year we had a win % of....yep....41%.
With the injuries we've had this year, you'd just about take that.
....and that is IF we don't win anymore than you predict.
Re: Post Game Analysis: AFL 2021 Rd 11: Carlton vs Sydney - kruddler - 05-30-2021
(05-30-2021, 01:48 PM)Gointocarlton link Wrote:Its what I expected, however not what the Richmond F-wit and his cohorts expected.lol.....that gets me every time.
Do me a favour....flick the tv over to one of those TV home shopping stations. Watch it for 5 minutes and tell me if you believe everything they are saying too. Let me know.
Re: Post Game Analysis: AFL 2021 Rd 11: Carlton vs Sydney - Macca37 - 05-30-2021
(05-30-2021, 10:59 AM)sydneybluesfan link Wrote:Just back from the game - a few things stood out.
- We have periods where we looked very good - but we never look like we can sustain it or really make the opposition pay when we have the ascendancy
- We are [still] an incredibly predictably dumb team. We make so many basic errors when we have the ball it is embarrassing to watch. Teams know you just put pressure on us, we panic and turn the ball over, and then we get taken apart on the rebound.
- Our lack of organisation and inability to control the ball killed us. The swans defence feasted on our turnovers, especially at half forward to launch probably 75% of their scoring. Their defence is very well drilled and organised, and other than H we caused them no problems. Gibbons, Owies and Silvagni are honest triers, but they aren’t going to win you games against good defenders. Throw in Eddie and Fog and it really is a major worry.
- When the crunch time came mid way thru the 3rd we simply wilted physically and mentally [again]. We looked like we had no idea, no spark, no mongrel, no hunger to win. We are incredibly meek and every opposition knows it. We never looked like we had the desire or skill to match them when they went up a notch. They dominated the last 30 minutes of that game and never looked like losing, they outnumbered us and they were running way harder and were more precise with the ball in the last when the game was there to be won
- Cripps had one of his better games but his skill errors and turnovers are just killers
- The coaching & conditioning group have got a lot to answer for. It just the same stuff week after week and we don’t have any real system to our play when you compare us to a well drilled team like Sydney.
I have the chance to do it all again next week against the WCE. My 11yo son is still to see them actually win a game live so here’s hoping.
This is our reality.
Too many players lacking the football skills to play at AFL level pressure.
Too many players lacking the mental toughness to see out a full game. Conservatively, over a full game, we are currently giving up approximately twenty minutes free time to the opposition to kick multiple goals.
Will I be satisfied if we win another 3 or 4 games? No way.
I will be satisfied when we get the list we were promised 6 years ago, one that is ready and willing to make a real challenge for a place in the 8.
At the moment we supporters grasp on to any scrap of good play in a desperate attempt to remain positive.
As I've said before: this is what a failed rebuild looks like.
Re: Post Game Analysis: AFL 2021 Rd 11: Carlton vs Sydney - Gointocarlton - 05-30-2021
(05-30-2021, 02:14 PM)Macca37 link Wrote:This is our reality.Its what we do when we don't have the ball that's the biggest problem. We apply SFA pressure and they do what they want.
Too many players lacking the football skills to play at AFL level pressure.
Too many players lacking the mental toughness to see out a full game. Conservatively, over a full game, we are currently giving up approximately twenty minutes free time to the opposition to kick multiple goals.
Will I be satisfied if we win another 3 or 4 games? No way.
I will be satisfied when we get the list we were promised 6 years ago, one that is ready and willing to make a real challenge for a place in the 8.
At the moment we supporters grasp on to any scrap of good play in a desperate attempt to remain positive.
As I've said before: this is what a failed rebuild looks like.
Re: Post Game Analysis: AFL 2021 Rd 11: Carlton vs Sydney - LP - 05-30-2021
FWIW, I recall a lot of fans on here being upset because the "Experts" pre-season picked us to finished on average about 12th or 13th. I thought we could do a little better, maybe finish just outside the 8 but I think I formally picked 9th to 12th in our pre-season survey, always hoping for better though! In my opinion that can still happen so I'm not surprised where we sit right now. I recall some pre-season posts here on the forum were disparaged because a few stated if we won 4 or 5 out of the first 11 we were doing OK, and here we are 4 out of 11!
There is no point carrying on about how badly we are travelling, because outside of blind Carlton faith and hope most had us about where we sit right now.
We are missing a few pieces of the puzzle, some luck and an injury free run being two critical aspects, plus I think we need 50 games in players like De Koning, Fogarty, Philp and Owies.
On top of those not in the team, watching at the weekend I think we have Casboult, Williams, Cripps, Harry, Saad and Newman all playing with injuries that hinder their game style and limit their endurance and mobility. It's one thing to go into games a bit sore, another to have your performance impacted by an injury.
Re: Post Game Analysis: AFL 2021 Rd 11: Carlton vs Sydney - LP - 05-30-2021
(05-30-2021, 10:59 AM)sydneybluesfan date Wrote:Gibbons, Owies and Silvagni are honest triers, but they aren’t going to win you games against good defenders. Throw in Eddie and Fog and it really is a major worry.I disagree, I don't think the medium smalls are the problem at all.
Yesterday both Owies and Silvagni should have received obvious frees 20m out dead in front, Owies was slung tackled at the top of the goal square right in front of the umpire, you see the umpire in the video looking straight at them as the camera angle is over the umpires shoulder. The same thing happened to Silvagni earlier in the game, that is a costly 2 goal swing. You don't get it as loud feedback from the commentary team because Ling and Bennett hate us.
Betts is great in a certain scenario, but you can't create that many of those scenarios per game, so we need another avenue. I thought at times last weekend we could have had Williams or Martin push more into deep F50, they are the type that can score in heavy traffic.
Several times yesterday we had players with goal eyes on, BigH at least twice could have swivelled the head and looked left or right to see a team-mate in the open 25m out dead in front but tried to take opponents on and got tackled near the square. Fogarty and Gibbons did similar at least once each.
Gibbons injury is an interesting one because he was probably overdue for a rest anyway, but we might be thin on the ground for replacements.
All those guys play better when McGovern is in the F50 alongside Betts, because unlike BigH, McGovern and Betts do the sacrificial things to bring other players into the game. The kids we have there at the moment get the goals in their eyes and are blinded to the available options.
Re: Post Game Analysis: AFL 2021 Rd 11: Carlton vs Sydney - tonyo - 05-30-2021
There was one standout coaching error that cost us big time. When De Koning went into the ruck halfway through the third, we got back in the game just when it seemed it was all going south. His tapwork is so much better than Pittonet, and he kicked a big goal to boot.
So who plays in the ruck for the first 15 minutes of the last - Pittonet! 4 straight centre clearances to the Swans and game over. By the time De Koning got back on the ball, the Swans only had to play keepings off.
Our coaches seem to have no plan other than stick to Plan A. no wonder we can't stop teams when they get a run-on.
Another season wasted, and to see what Essendon are doing with a list of nobodys makes it even more galling.
Re: Post Game Analysis: AFL 2021 Rd 11: Carlton vs Sydney - capcom - 05-31-2021
Teague is just too late in initiating change .... or instructing players on what is expected and enforcing it. Slow as treacle.
Re: Post Game Analysis: AFL 2021 Rd 11: Carlton vs Sydney - Gointocarlton - 05-31-2021
(05-30-2021, 11:17 PM)tonyo link Wrote:There was one standout coaching error that cost us big time. When De Koning went into the ruck halfway through the third, we got back in the game just when it seemed it was all going south. His tapwork is so much better than Pittonet, and he kicked a big goal to boot.From the HS on our last qtr:
So who plays in the ruck for the first 15 minutes of the last - Pittonet! 4 straight centre clearances to the Swans and game over. By the time De Koning got back on the ball, the Swans only had to play keepings off.
Our coaches seem to have no plan other than stick to Plan A. no wonder we can't stop teams when they get a run-on.
Another season wasted, and to see what Essendon are doing with a list of nobodys makes it even more galling.
On Sunday, it was the final quarter. The margin at three-quarter time was three points. In the final quarter, the Blues were belted around the footy -12 contested possessions and -8 in ground balls. It allowed Sydney to control the game. The Swans took 41 marks for the quarter, and to put that in context they took 67 in the other three quarters. As a result, Carlton’s pressure was just 155, their fourth-lowest rating in a quarter this year. Simply, they weren’t tough enough for long enough yet again.