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Re: Post Game Analysis: AFL 2021 Rd 5: Carlton vs Port Adelaide - laj - 04-18-2021
(04-18-2021, 02:18 AM)jeza link Wrote:I don't think our forward line functioned very well (obviously) - seriously missed Jack. McGovern is a poor replacement at this stage.
But their back line was able to put our forwards under pressure. Ours was not. Our back line is a joke.
Teague deserves quite a lot of criticism- as does the selection committee. Too many moves just haven't worked. Picking Williamson was a disaster. Samo at half back just has not worked. Cunningham sitting in the 2s is just ridiculous. We need Newman back desperately and we need to play Jack Martin at half back or Jack Silvagni or Cunningham or Stocker. The guys we've got are not up to it... And it is frustratingly obvious yet Teague keeps fronting up with the same sh1ttruck defence getting the same sh1tty result every time we get under scoreboard pressure.
Doesn't matter who we pick, unless there is a real "want", it'll be like shuffling the deck chairs on the Titanic.
I've half given up for now. We'll see some great performances, then when we are pumped the most we'll see disappointment. We might even make the 8 (may well not either) but that's the very best we'll do for years until the culture improves, attitudes change and we turn up motivated to play for the jumper win in, week out. Who we put out on the park will mean nothing until then.
Re: Post Game Analysis: AFL 2021 Rd 5: Carlton vs Port Adelaide - ElwoodBlues1 - 04-18-2021
SPP, Butters, Duursma and Bonner would be in their best 22 but are not as vital as the likes of Charlie Curnow , Martin and TDK for us.
Think Newman has been a loss, bit more steady and reliable than Williamson who is making the easy look difficult.
I have probably given Marchbank away and we really need another KP Forward on the list to cover for Charlie...
Losing McDonald has also been really unlucky, we just cant get our best 22 on the park and always lose the players who we have poor or no backup for...our luck has to turn soon.
Re: Post Game Analysis: AFL 2021 Rd 5: Carlton vs Port Adelaide - LP - 04-18-2021
We play footy like we have a safe workplace policy and the opposition know it, even their kids playing their second game beat us up knowing nobody fights back!
Another big question I have, why don't we shepherd for team-mates? Other than one decent one from Pittonet in the centre, I can't recall any effective shepherds at all! We are too easy to play against, opponents run around freely against us.
Re: Post Game Analysis: AFL 2021 Rd 5: Carlton vs Port Adelaide - ElwoodBlues1 - 04-18-2021
(04-18-2021, 02:43 AM)LP link Wrote:We play footy like we have a safe workplace policy and the opposition know it, even their kids playing their second game beat us up knowing nobody fights back!Bit easier to be a kid with Port, never seen Bergman before but he was impressive, good size and kicks the ball well.
Another big question I have, why don't we shepherd for team-mates? Other than one decent one from Pittonet in the centre, I can't recall any effective shepherds at all! We are too easy to play against, opponents run around freely against us.
Agree on the Shepherds, blocks etc, apart from Ed Curnow we dont have many who consistently do that stuff week in week out.
Re: Post Game Analysis: AFL 2021 Rd 5: Carlton vs Port Adelaide - LP - 04-18-2021
(04-18-2021, 03:01 AM)ElwoodBlues1 date Wrote:Bit easier to be a kid with Port, never seen Bergman before but he was impressive, good size and kicks the ball well.The problem is Ed, and also Jones, undo their otherwise good work with 3rd rate disposals. Ed was just bombing the ball forward at every opportunity last night not even a glance at a target, Jones slammed the footy onto his boot multiples times directly to an opponents 20m or 30m forward of where he'd intercepted.
Agree on the Shepherds, blocks etc, apart from Ed Curnow we dont have many who consistently do that stuff week in week out.
I realise they weren't alone last night, but they are recidivists.
I realise what Jones does defensively with his marking is elite, but it only brakes the opposition momentum, he contributes nothing to our own momentum, in fact he can destroy our own momentum with a bad kick. Just like Cripps, just like Doc, and when those older heads and leaders do it then it becomes contagious!
As much as AFL coaches want defence first, you also have to score to win, and we are our own worst enemy in that regard. Opposition aren't good against us, they don't have to be, they just have to be patient and we will give it back 10 out of 10!
Re: Post Game Analysis: AFL 2021 Rd 5: Carlton vs Port Adelaide - Baggers - 04-18-2021
On a slightly more philosophical note, I particularly feel for those supporters under about 35 years of age. You were encouraged by the 90s then subjected to abject failure, bar a couple of blips. By the time I was 35 I'd seen us win 7 premierships and can rest on those memories... and have needed to in the past 20 years.
Sorry to say it, but this modern CFC looks very little like the one of only 2 decades ago. Yes, times change, but attitude, desperation, expectation of excellence, mongrel, persistence, proper coaching and so on... do not change with time. If this modern CFC was a colour, it'd be beige. Perhaps that should be our new moniker... the Mighty Beiges? I've felt my interest wane this year and simply not looked forward to the w/e. Once our move (moving back closer to Melb) is complete I do look forward to going to Magoo matches, relaxed atmosphere, River Rat delivering well timed witticisms and of course, hot pies.
It's almost as if the heart of the CFC was removed in 2002 and we've been playing on without it ever since.
However, I will commend our off-field efforts. To erase debt, get Membership over 80,000 is Herculean - sincere congrats to all concerned. Our marketing / Pr / media dept is 2nd to none, they do an excellent job - had me salivating for the start of this year, but, really, it only took two games to see nothing had changed re on-field.
Re: Post Game Analysis: AFL 2021 Rd 5: Carlton vs Port Adelaide - Gointocarlton - 04-18-2021
(04-18-2021, 02:00 AM)PaulP link Wrote:My ladder prediction for this season was 9th-11th, and I have seen little that would change my mind. As long as the effort is there and we can get some semblance of our best 22 on the park, the wins will come IMO.I don't have us making the 8 and we will be similar to last year.
Re: Post Game Analysis: AFL 2021 Rd 5: Carlton vs Port Adelaide - BluePhantom - 04-18-2021
(04-18-2021, 03:12 AM)Baggers link Wrote:On a slightly more philosophical note, I particularly feel for those supporters under about 35 years of age. You were encouraged by the 90s then subjected to abject failure, bar a couple of blips. By the time I was 35 I'd seen us win 7 premierships and can rest on those memories... and have needed to in the past 20 years.My son is 18 and has been a member ever since he was 2 weeks old but last night he said, "Dad, I have given up and I've transferred to F1 permanently."
Sorry to say it, but this modern CFC looks very little like the one of only 2 decades ago. Yes, times change, but attitude, desperation, expectation of excellence, mongrel, persistence, proper coaching and so on... do not change with time. If this modern CFC was a colour, it'd be beige. Perhaps that should be our new moniker... the Mighty Beiges? I've felt my interest wane this year and simply not looked forward to the w/e. Once our move (moving back closer to Melb) is complete I do look forward to going to Magoo matches, relaxed atmosphere, River Rat delivering well timed witticisms and of course, hot pies.
It's almost as if the heart of the CFC was removed in 2002 and we've been playing on without it ever since.
However, I will commend our off-field efforts. To erase debt, get Membership over 80,000 is Herculean - sincere congrats to all concerned. Our marketing / Pr / media dept is 2nd to none, they do an excellent job - had me salivating for the start of this year, but, really, it only took two games to see nothing had changed re on-field.
He now has no interest in footy and doesn't want to be a member anymore.
As his old man I feel gutted but don't blame him, ever since he can remember we have been a basket case.
Does the Club ever read our comments on here? Do they realise and understand the effect of their heartless performances have?
Reading the comment on here the common theme is lack of heart, desire, mongrel and playing for the pay cheque.
Watching footage of the 80's and 90's all Carlton players had two feet to choose from to kick with and ALL played and put their head over the ball.
Watching our players run around now it's like watching U18's play, flashes of brilliance but sooo many unforced errors and zero game plan.
Re: Post Game Analysis: AFL 2021 Rd 5: Carlton vs Port Adelaide - shawny - 04-18-2021
(04-18-2021, 03:23 AM)Gointocarlton link Wrote:I don't have us making the 8 and we will be similar to last year.
Agree apart from will North and GC it’s hard to be confident we are ‘clearly’ better then the next group of teams like freo pies saints hawks etc.
Miles off where we should be and wouldn’t be surprised if we don’t improve on last years position as there is vast improvements in teams I thought we would jump in Sydney Melb Adelaide dogs etc.
Re: Post Game Analysis: AFL 2021 Rd 5: Carlton vs Port Adelaide - laj - 04-18-2021
(04-18-2021, 03:12 AM)Baggers link Wrote:On a slightly more philosophical note, I particularly feel for those supporters under about 35 years of age. You were encouraged by the 90s then subjected to abject failure, bar a couple of blips. By the time I was 35 I'd seen us win 7 premierships and can rest on those memories... and have needed to in the past 20 years.
Sorry to say it, but this modern CFC looks very little like the one of only 2 decades ago. Yes, times change, but attitude, desperation, expectation of excellence, mongrel, persistence, proper coaching and so on... do not change with time. If this modern CFC was a colour, it'd be beige. Perhaps that should be our new moniker... the Mighty Beiges? I've felt my interest wane this year and simply not looked forward to the w/e. Once our move (moving back closer to Melb) is complete I do look forward to going to Magoo matches, relaxed atmosphere, River Rat delivering well timed witticisms and of course, hot pies.
It's almost as if the heart of the CFC was removed in 2002 and we've been playing on without it ever since.
However, I will commend our off-field efforts. To erase debt, get Membership over 80,000 is Herculean - sincere congrats to all concerned. Our marketing / Pr / media dept is 2nd to none, they do an excellent job - had me salivating for the start of this year, but, really, it only took two games to see nothing had changed re on-field.
Certainly right with all that.
I saw 8 flags by the time I was 37, so i've seen my share of success. Saw us go from shit in 1964 to when Barassi and George Harris came the next year and rebuilt the club. Younger ones though have seen nothing but 5hit.