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Re: Pre Game Perambulations: AFL 2020 R11 Carlton vs West Coast - Lods - 08-05-2020
(08-05-2020, 01:57 AM)LP link Wrote:But isn't that question equally targeting a Simmo or Walsh?I'm not saying that there isn't a place for the talented, courageous, smaller player.
I think there is still plenty of space for variety, and I suspect a lack of variety is possible a very likely contributing cause for a lack of progress.
Robots only do something unpredictable or weird when they break, too many of the same and everybody knows what you are doing most of the time!
But in terms of having a physical, hurtful, intimidating impact on a contest, which is the area we're lacking, a Walsh or Simpson doesn't really have that same effect as a bigger, stronger player.
Re: Pre Game Perambulations: AFL 2020 R11 Carlton vs West Coast - Gointocarlton - 08-05-2020
(08-04-2020, 10:22 PM)LP link Wrote:Cottrel is a better footballer than people realise, but he's a meat and potatoes type, I suppose because they don't see much VFL they haven't given him any credit, but he reminds me a bit of the Filth's Nick Maxwell, I've seen Cottrel do a few Ken Hunter type things in VFL putting his body on the line, but that's VFL. Maybe he is one of these guys like Duigan or Armfield, who'll never be a star but just come in week after week and get a job done. and provide some team ethic.Isnt Cottrell a time trial beast? Did he beat the Curnows last year in PS?
I hope he get's an opportunity soon, I'm keen to see if he can go up a level and find a way to be competitive. He could easily go the other way and end up a chook runner! Plus Cottrel's disposal is a bit weak, but I wouldn't say he is any worse than some already in the team.
It's a bit sad that coaches seem unable to get over the athleticism, size and strength aspects, you'd think in particular our coaches would have learned from Gibbons it's not always about the measurements you can make.
Re: Pre Game Perambulations: AFL 2020 R11 Carlton vs West Coast - LP - 08-05-2020
(08-05-2020, 02:31 AM)Gointocarlton date Wrote:Isnt Cottrell a time trial beast? Did he beat the Curnows last year in PS?Correct an aerobic machine but not super fast, he can stay the journey with just about any opponent. Perhaps a long term replacement of Ed is an option in this regard, but I'm not going to claim he hasn't got a long football journey to take before he can be consider as an option.
I suppose the point I'm making when writing about these guys is to not write them off too quickly when they show stuff at VFL level. In my opinion, there are quite a few blokes who a list cloggers and time wasters who cruise through the VFL and disappoint in the AFL, I think those types can do as much team ethic damage as they do on field damage! You know the type, the guys who spend five minutes looking like "Jesus in a Jumper" then go off with a hangnail!
Re: Pre Game Perambulations: AFL 2020 R11 Carlton vs West Coast - laj - 08-05-2020
(08-05-2020, 12:36 AM)capcom link Wrote:And IMO the greatest player debut in Carlton's history ... '81 VFL park vs Richmond round 1
That was a a close one between Buzza and Hunter that day.
Re: Pre Game Perambulations: AFL 2020 R11 Carlton vs West Coast - pew2 - 08-05-2020
cottrell,honey dow,philp when is the match committee going to play these yougsters and find out wat we have.
Re: Pre Game Perambulations: AFL 2020 R11 Carlton vs West Coast - capcom - 08-05-2020
(08-05-2020, 02:44 AM)laj link Wrote:That was a a close one between Buzza and Hunter that day.
And boy, did I give it to their supporters.
Re: Pre Game Perambulations: AFL 2020 R11 Carlton vs West Coast - LP - 08-05-2020
(08-05-2020, 04:18 AM)capcom date Wrote:And boy, did I give it to their supporters.Geez, and don't they cut up worse than perhaps even the Filth supporters.
Re: Pre Game Perambulations: AFL 2020 R11 Carlton vs West Coast - capcom - 08-05-2020
They sure shut up after half time. Gave it to that sheila Rob Wiley all day
Re: Pre Game Perambulations: AFL 2020 R11 Carlton vs West Coast - LP - 08-05-2020
(08-05-2020, 05:12 AM)capcom date Wrote:They sure shut up after half time. Gave it to that sheila Rob Wiley all dayAs much as those Ferals cut up, the Filth supporters, even giving it to the Sleepy Hollow Handbaggers as one is prone to do from time to time, or standing on the fringe of the Animal Enclosure in days gone by, I've never really felt unsafe as it was all part of the theatre.
But in the Bullring, surrounded by drugged up CheatsFC supporters, all Bikies, Skinheads and angry angry types in a collared shirt, I've never really felt safe. I think they've been doing as their idols do, and taking in a bit too much Hexarelin! You can't put a collared shirt on a piece of shizen and expect it to be anymore than a piece of shizen!
Re: Pre Game Perambulations: AFL 2020 R11 Carlton vs West Coast - deags - 08-06-2020
We had Bolten coaching for the future. Selections for the future. Positioning players for the future. Most supporters weren't happy with that. We were losing and nearly all of our players, senior one's included, have never been part of a successful team.
Coaching and selecting for the future is fine when you have a culture and players that have seen success. Or if you realise success in a reasonable time frame. But our club is devoid of success and we need to be chasing whatever wins we can get. We need to be putting our best side out there every week, maybe rotating new players in and out, but unless injuries dictate, only 1 or 2 of the new guys each week.
The players don't know how to be successful. This shambolic season has allowed them to start to experience a couple of wins and they should be doing everything in the club's power to continue that.