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Re: Post Game Analysis: AFL 2020 Rd 2: Carlton vs Melbourne - Milhanna13 - 06-14-2020
(06-14-2020, 12:48 AM)flyboy77 link Wrote:Our three big forwards need to sort out a system.
Harry looked rusty, the Guv just stuffs up too much presently.
Our forward 6 looked squashed up, there was no space....plenty of talent there but wasn't working at all yesterday.
Won the I50 count easily....
Everyone knows we should have won that game yesterday, even after Q1.
It's on out leadership group to step up. That where tight games get won....
Cripps can't do it every week.
Weiters was very, very good.
Harry started well, then Dees switched to going the body on him and he barely got another kick. If umps treated him the same way they treated Gawn, he would have had 15 frees
Re: Post Game Analysis: AFL 2020 Rd 2: Carlton vs Melbourne - flyboy77 - 06-14-2020
Yes Gawn gets very well looked after....
The I50 delivery was back to its worst and Big H and the Guv simply didn't lead enough....but often are ball movement was so slow and haphazard hard for them to know when and where to go?
Re: Post Game Analysis: AFL 2020 Rd 2: Carlton vs Melbourne - LP - 06-14-2020
(06-14-2020, 03:17 AM)Milhanna13 date Wrote:Harry started well, then Dees switched to going the body on him and he barely got another kick. If umps treated him the same way they treated Gawn, he would have had 15 freesPeople blame the crowds, but at the moment there is no crowd, it's the opposition officials and coaches talking in the media that influence the outcome more than anything else!
Last season Melbourne bitched and moaned about Gawn's treatment at the hands of various opponents, Dimma is continually complaining about how hard done by Dusty, Cotchin or Riewoldt is, despite those three being some of the biggest offenders. Clarkson was always banging on about Buddy, or how we didn't want players like Hodge prevented from attacking the football. Scott never stops bleating about the treatment of Danger, Ablett or Selwood, they need protection.
At our club, guys like Murphy, Cripps, Fisher, Kreuzer get illegally smashed week and week out and it's crickets!
Surely, yesterday with Gawn in the absence of crowds, added to events like Dangerfield's Curnow commentary, tells us this isn't a crowd problem!
Re: Post Game Analysis: AFL 2020 Rd 2: Carlton vs Melbourne - Professer E - 06-14-2020
We're soft, mentally and physically, end of story
The next bloke we draft has to a hard as *+*! Ultra competive mid. Dusty Ziebell Viney Selwood Hodge Lewis or even Rowell. That kind of bloke. No more pretty, nice, players like Fisher O'Brien SPS Murphy Dow Setterfield. Blokes that will smack the bloke next to them as soon as they get looked sideways at.
Got a lot of hope for Stocker, at least he's shown some grit. Why isn't he playing?
Re: Post Game Analysis: AFL 2020 Rd 2: Carlton vs Melbourne - laj - 06-14-2020
I want North Melbourne's attitude. They are invariably switched on and never give up. Give everything. Now they'll beat the GWS in Sydney. If we had what they had with the players we have, we'd be soooo much better. I want that intangible they have.
Re: Post Game Analysis: AFL 2020 Rd 2: Carlton vs Melbourne - Macca37 - 06-14-2020
Five years ago at the beginning of the 2016 season we all bought the story that, following a rebuild, we long-suffering supporters would reach that great big shining light at the end of the tunnel.
We believed that by 2020 we would be serious contenders for the flag, well entrenched in the top 8.
So where are we? We have a side that is still incapable of playing four quarters of consistent football. We are so desperate for any signs of success that we seem to be happy if we can get a medium/maximum effort for three quarters of a game and hope the side can get off the bottom of the ladder.
I have just re-read this thread, and clearly we have so many problems I don't know where to start.
Motivation is lacking. So few of our players are desperate for the ball. It's like watching our old side before the re-build when players such as Gibbs would roll up and play bruise free football. Basic skills such as making tackles stick, and the ability to kick, are missing week in, week out. There is no mongrel in the side.
How is it that with so many early draft picks we are still so short of players with football nous and skills?
I hate being negative but realistically when are we ever going to stop being the bottom feeders of the AFL?
Re: Post Game Analysis: AFL 2020 Rd 2: Carlton vs Melbourne - Gointocarlton - 06-14-2020
(06-14-2020, 12:36 AM)BluePhantom link Wrote:It seems like the old adage of you play the same way as you train.Farkum neither do I anymore
Two games this year but many games over the years we have failed to fire a shot in the first qtr only to just miss out on the chocolates.
The players must do this at training, just gradually build their intensity instead of warm up then into it.
There also seems to be a lack of intensity at training, yeah sure enough they run around and tackle each other and work up a sweat but this is similar to what happens on game day. There is no 'I'm going to make this personal' or I'm going to really hurt you tackles, there are no consequences for not succeeding.
Goal kicking?????? They must practice it but if they miss at training they just grab another ball and try and get it with the next one.
There are no consequences for missing, no pressure! This is what needs to be replicated at training, pressure.
Throw the medical science out the window that says you can only kick 10 times or can only be out on the training ground for x number of minutes.
Training should be harder than the game. The sessions don't need to go as long as a game but needs the same intensity, pressure and that feeling of the need to succeed and to win every battle.
I know it is different sport but when I played high level volleyball our training's were always harder than our games and the results proved it. Undefeated for 3 years in a row and won 9 titles in a row. (age is what got us in the end)
Also dislike the smiling at the end of the games when we lose. They seem to not care.
Re: Post Game Analysis: AFL 2020 Rd 2: Carlton vs Melbourne - Gointocarlton - 06-14-2020
(06-14-2020, 12:37 AM)flyboy77 link Wrote:West Coast got pumped by Gold Coast....Seems the obvious choice...which means Polson will come in
It's been a very weird year.
Even discounting the deplorable first quarter, we should have won that in a canter but for terrible kicking.
The kicking at goal, from relatively easy positions, in benign conditions, was below sub standard.
Our midfield was down, Pittonet aside (terrific debut), and our forward line was a mess, ditto the delivery I50.
We'll improve markedly from that effort.
Of bigger concern was a lot of our guys looked to be holding back/waiting for someone else to do the heavy lifting.
Unacceptable at this level.
Would be getting McGovern's eyes checked - he missed a lot of marks by a wide margin, despite being in a great position to mark.
Bad news for Newman, obviously. But great that Willo can now come in...
Re: Post Game Analysis: AFL 2020 Rd 2: Carlton vs Melbourne - Gointocarlton - 06-14-2020
(06-14-2020, 01:05 AM)flyboy77 link Wrote:Lang was never an answer as a mid and I doubt I ever said as such....i can see why they picked him up (what 3 years ago now?) but he's had injuries and simply doesn't do enough now. Philp for him is a no brainer.Stanton (Midfield and Transition) and Barker (Midfield and Stoppages), I would have sacked them today. Plenty of good coaches sitting around off work due to Covid19.
But, why hasn't had been given a crack in the guts?
The other two simply aren't getting their job done....still have high hopes for Setters, Newnes always just a soldier but didn't even do that last night.
That said, all of them were off the pace for a lot of it last night.
Who's our midfield coach? Big, big FAIL.
Re: Post Game Analysis: AFL 2020 Rd 2: Carlton vs Melbourne - LoveNavy - 06-14-2020
Newman out for 2020?
Recover well son.
Losing is always disappointing, and for some, infuriating.
Losing as many suggest, through poor goal kicking, inept adaptation to what's in front of you, and mental unpreparedness, heightens emotions. No doubt. The sought after W is so close yet so far.
Many have provided sound analysis of the problems and suggested plausible solutions. In the end we were caught short. Imo our shortcomings fell in areas amenable to correction.
I empathise with Baggers demanding mass reform. I also believe we have what it takes to climb the proverbial. Albeit not consistently for 4q. 6 of our last 8q has shown just that. I expect most footy fans would agree with that to some extent.
Aside from minor adjustments across a few areas, I see one main glaring flaw, and it's not new. Get another quality inside mid or two. Not an athlete or fly weight with fancy footwork, but an inside bull with footy smarts and effective disposal.
This could be SOJ and Kemp in future. Right now though, neither were available. We're still trialling young men in different positions and playing seniors in positions they no longer own. Fix that, and master the 4q focus, and we're in the frame.
Go Blues