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Re: 2019 AFL Rd 1: Carlton vs Richmond at the MCG: Post Game Passion - Baggers - 03-21-2019
Now that the dust has settled.
I guess it is important to factor in that the Tiggers are an established group who are at the stage of 'tinkering'. Whereas we're at the stage of having completed a major overhaul and are now just beginning to piece it together.
I hope Charlie isn't soaking up too much of the adoration from the outside. His game last night was appalling, his opponents owned him. No escaping that.
That brain fade from Jones on Jack was dumb, dumb, dumb... won't be easy to replace as he'll probably get a week. I'd be tempted to give Brackets (or maybe Charlie, might help him to get some confidence/form?) the gig down back next week and bring in another small/medium forward. (or put Charlie on the ball and give Murph more time in the forward line... yes, got my doubts about 3 pillars up forward & Ed C.).
64 pts is a pathetic final scoreline. Keeping the opposition, and such a good opposition, to 97 pts is
almost acceptable. Take out our usual 30 odd minutes of 'going missing', and their ability to capitalise on that and you'd find they were more a 75-80 pt side.
Ed C is a worry. Not a forward's clacker and it's probably too late to teach him new tricks. Someone else said it and I tend to agree that when Ed can't make the best 22, we're on the right track... and I don't like saying that because he's been a ripper with a heart as big as the MCG.
Our best newbie last night was Newman. Bloody ripper. 12 rebound 50s speaks for itself. Has a crack. 100 game player for us. If you put Williamson on the other HBF that's a pair of deadly lefties with dash and footy smarts. Drool.
When Setterfield and Walsh improve their disposal efficiency, look out.
I hope we resist the temptation to make changes for next week (except for the compulsory change of Jones), especially dumping anyone who didn't perform well last night.
I'm far more optimistic about next week than I was about last night.
I really think this group needs a big win, to know how it feels to own their opposition, it'll be the shot in the arm our group needs to take the next step.
Re: 2019 AFL Rd 1: Carlton vs Richmond at the MCG: Post Game Passion - Spanner_smf2_import2 - 03-21-2019
Seriously, this is becoming embarrassing watching this football club. Every year I hope that I see some sort of improvement, only for it to be flushed down the toilet after the first few games of the season.
People will say, well if you can't see improvement you weren't seeing the green shoots or Sam Walsh or Will Setterfield. Jesus, that's not what I'm talking about. I'm talking about blokes being paid hundreds of thousands of dollars a year who simply can't do the basics of the f^&king game. I'm talking about chest marks, field kicking, hand balling and kicking for goal.
I mean for f^&ks sake, what do these d^&kheads do all summer? We dropped about 8 easy chest marks and mind you, this was from a myriad of players, SPS, CC, Cuningham etc. Why? How many out of the full? 6 or 7? It's like we're watching an U12s match who were playing the U18s. They were handling the ball like it was a bar of soap, yet Bitchmond didn't have any issues.
Why when we hand ball to a team mate it's always to their feet and never to advantage where they don't have to break stride? Kicking into the forward line is more by hope than by any design. Why can't our forwards ever get separation from their defender? Yet the opposition seem to never have an issue doing so with ours? Fuuuuuucckkk! Is it too hard to expect these simple things are a non negotiable when it comes to identifying players? 20 years in the cellar, you'd think we could identify at least a few players with some skill.
Charlie Curnow needs to stop drinking his own bath water and getting some skills. I don't think I've ever seen a player other than Marc Murphy go through the motions like he did last night. And on to my perennial favourite whipping boy Marc. How soft is this bloke? I mean really, he turns it over so often during a game that's it's almost like he's a member of the opposing team. When he does kick it in the general direction of a team mate it's always got too much air time or it's on top of their head. Such a hack!
The sad part is and I'm not sure why, most of you laud him as being skillful and an invaluable part of the club. He is one of the main reasons we are where we are as a club. The lack of on field leadership from a supposed senior statesman for the club is glaring not to mention the pi55 poor attack on the football at virtually every contest he's involved in does not bode well for the young kids when they see that. I feel for the likes of Cripps who leaves it all out there every week and bleeds for this club and likewise Judd before him.
Marc has been privileged to play with these two blokes and yet has learned nothing. Wow! Don't get me wrong, I'm not expecting him to be Cripps, but I expect him to have presence and go when it's his turn to go, which all too often he fails to do. Young Sam Walsh has more impact on the game and gives more of himself and that was his first game.
I know alot of you will mention his second or third quarter, not sure which, where he kicked a goal and actually got involved in the game. OK, fair enough, but ask yourself, where was he the other 3 quarters and previous 12 years. I think is says alot about the bloke when you guys didn't even have a thread for Marc congratulating him on his 250th. Secretly you think the same, yet don't want to be the one to "shoot Bambi".
So it looks like another long year and mountain of disappointments coming up. It's getting to the point where I'm not sure why I put myself though watching the St Kilda of the 21st century week in week out. Yes people, that's who we are. 5 spoons in 20 years is not only St Kilda like, it's now Carlton like. Never thought I would ever say that, but there you have it, the club is officially a joke.
Don't get up in my grill and say that's an over reaction after a round one loss, I'm telling you, this is no aberration. This is situation normal at the Carlton Football Club and has been for the last 20 years. 2019 will be no different.
Re: 2019 AFL Rd 1: Carlton vs Richmond at the MCG: Post Game Passion - LP - 03-21-2019
I thought we won enough football, but our use of the ball was poor, why?
One thought is that in general our aggression towards a opponents is low, it's not helped by CheatsTV doing it's best to cook our goose. Example the endless replays of Jones collecting Riewoldt versus completely ignoring Cripps being struck int he side of the head while trying to mark.
But our lack of vicious aggression is evident, while our attack on the football was grand, it's the Hodge factor we lack. Example, Cotchin does his best to hospitalise Cripps in a marking contest, we defend with gentile spoils and shepherds. Of course I realise it's men versus boys still, but we are not all boys. The irony is hearing our coach express concerns about Rance having watched him regularly "stumble" and collide knees first into forwards.
I've stated before and there is nothing from last night that makes me change this opinion, we play football like our primary objective is to leave the field safely for the trip home, at AFL level all that does is make us easy roadkill for the vultures.
Re: 2019 AFL Rd 1: Carlton vs Richmond at the MCG: Post Game Passion - LP - 03-21-2019
(03-21-2019, 11:34 PM)Spanner link Wrote:Charlie Curnow needs to stop drinking his own bath water and getting some skills.
Watching last night I thought he needs VFL time. No doubt he has all the physical abilities, but almost zero confidence and presence. We've seen better from Charlie, but last night he was Capperesque.
He looks like a player who needs to go and kick 12 goals in a match at VFL level, but I suspect he'll need to be touched up by some B-grader at VFL level before he ever switches on.
We missed SpecialK last night, Nankervis was effectively BoG, and Phillips has little physical presence under the new body on body rules. McKay was almost ineffective in the ruck despite his height advantages, unfortunately McKay shows almost zero aggression, and it's aggression that gives KPPs the advantage. It's not his fault he is not and has never been a ruckmen, size means nothing good rucks play well due to an attitude.
Look at the disrespect coming from Riewoldt towards Jones, Riewoldt basically just tried to smash Jones to create opportunities for Nthmond's small forwards, in many cases Riewoldt never even came close to touching the ball yet was not penalised and we made no effort to respond in kind. As a team you cannot allow that, it's gutless and it leads to being bullied and dominated, there is no nice way of putting it. Bullies fold when you stand your ground, walking away lets them continue without reprise.
Re: 2019 AFL Rd 1: Carlton vs Richmond at the MCG: Post Game Passion - Spanner_smf2_import2 - 03-21-2019
(03-21-2019, 11:34 PM)LP link Wrote:But our lack of vicious aggression is evident, while our attack on the football was grand, it's the Hodge factor we lack. Example, Cotchin does his best to hospitalise Cripps in a marking contest, we defend with gentile spoils and shepherds. Of course I realise it's men versus boys still, but we are not all boys. The irony is hearing our coach express concerns about Rance having watched him regularly "stumble" and collide knees first into forwards.
I've stated before and there is nothing from last night that makes me change this opinion, we play football like our primary objective is to leave the field safely for the trip home, at AFL level all that does is make us easy roadkill for the vultures.
You can thank Marc for setting the finest of examples during his tenure at the club. All together now, THAAAAANNNNKKKKSSS MAAAAARRRRCCCC!
Re: 2019 AFL Rd 1: Carlton vs Richmond at the MCG: Post Game Passion - PaulP - 03-21-2019
As someone who enjoys keeping a casual eye on stats, over the last season or 2 we consistently win the hard ball - clearances, cp's etc. are usually in our favour. Where we fall down (over and over again) are I50's and marks I50. It's like a disease for which we have no cure. Far too much dicking around between the arcs. Lack of composure ? Lack of skill ? Who knows. But we're not ball starved, that's for sure.
And tackles is another area where we are not always as dominant as we should be.
Re: 2019 AFL Rd 1: Carlton vs Richmond at the MCG: Post Game Passion - LP - 03-21-2019
(03-21-2019, 11:46 PM)PaulP link Wrote:As someone who enjoys keeping a casual eye on stats, over the last season or 2 we consistently win the hard ball - clearances, cp's etc. are usually in our favour.
Are the stats a little misleading PaulP, what is the point at which a possession becomes a CP or clearance, does it have to be an effective disposal?
If it has to be an effective disposal it's hard to see how we could win the CPs and Clearances. If not, then I agree, we win heaps of contested football but rarely make much use of it!
Re: 2019 AFL Rd 1: Carlton vs Richmond at the MCG: Post Game Passion - capcom - 03-21-2019
I missed the start guys ... who was on the bench?
Re: 2019 AFL Rd 1: Carlton vs Richmond at the MCG: Post Game Passion - Professer E - 03-22-2019
Spanner touches a raw nerve with me. Jones will get a week for nailing Riewoldt, but the hatchet job on him from the media makes me vomit. Burton got off the same rap last year BTW.
There are so many ways within the rules of the game to intimidate the opposition. I'm not happy that Rance got hurt, but Phillips had the right idea... If you come in to kill a contest and I go all in to mark and you get crunched...thats football. Been watching guys do this with impunity for years, were you watching Levi? If a defender drops into the hole....
Crikey, some peanut did it to SPS in the last (adjacent to the tiges RH point post). Obvious it was an attempted take down... No free.
Re: 2019 AFL Rd 1: Carlton vs Richmond at the MCG: Post Game Passion - JonHenry - 03-22-2019
(03-21-2019, 11:45 PM)Spanner link Wrote:You can thank Marc for setting the finest of examples during his tenure at the club. All together now, THAAAAANNNNKKKKSSS MAAAAARRRRCCCC!
Senior player leadership has been an issue since the early 2000's.
Once Ratten and Hickmott retired we had little leadership
I have said it plenty of times, we had too many blokes who would not commit to the contest.
Guys like Nick Stevens, Camporeale and Justin Murphy educated the younger guys how to avoid the contest.
Last night, when the game was in the balance Murphy avoided contact.
He would have been grilled for it if he were a Swans or Hawks player, yet we made him skipper.
If not for Judd and Cripps we would have won a lot more wooden spoons