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Re: 2018 Rd 20: Post Game Calm & Civilized Discussion: Carlton vs GWS - Lods - 08-05-2018
I think we can appreciate that in many ways this is a learning experience.
But we didn't get beaten by GWS today....we got beaten by half of GWS....and in the last quarter about a third of GWS.
Yes, we had significant outs as well but full strength v full strength it would have been a similar result.
The thing is...when they announced this rebuild back in 2015 did anyone expect us to be sitting last with 2 wins at this stage of 2018.
Sure we expected there would be some backward movement...but to this extent?
Injuries...a problem
Not being able to attract experienced quality players...a problem.
Some not developing as quickly as we'd like...also a problem
But problems that should have been foreseen and factored in.
The unexpected will always bite you in the bum.
The time for radical changes is not now...but this season is done and dusted and we need to look at the future in pretty harsh, realistic terms.
2019 needs to be a no excuse year...you go hard or go elsewhere.
Lesson time is over.
It's time for big school.
There is much work to be done and we need to shake this idea that everything will work out fine if we just let the plan roll along.
Re: 2018 Rd 20: Post Game Calm & Civilized Discussion: Carlton vs GWS - PaulP - 08-05-2018
(08-05-2018, 12:40 PM)deags link Wrote:As long as we don't kill MORE players, mentally and physically, than what we already have.
These guys need confidence as much as they need anything else. Letting them get drilled by 16 players, by 18 goals is not good for them in any sense.
The losses, if they are handled correctly, can hold them in good stead. GWS used to get flogged regularly in their early days.
If they're not handled correctly, then yes, they can cause damage.
Re: 2018 Rd 20: Post Game Calm & Civilized Discussion: Carlton vs GWS - PaulP - 08-05-2018
And IMO, you and others are focussing on the 1 or 2 player surplus way too much. Having a couple of extra players doesn't suddenly improve our skills, it doesn't mean we now hit targets, it doesn't mean we suddenly have players with 100-150 games under their belts, it doesn't mean we suddenly have battle hardened bodies etc.
GWS and other teams can easily cover two extra players for now.
Re: 2018 Rd 20: Post Game Calm & Civilized Discussion: Carlton vs GWS - Lods - 08-05-2018
I cant see anything good coming from that last quarter.
Guys were getting rubbed down on the sidelines while 16 of their teammates were flogging the opposition.
That will be highlighted this week.
It's something the players will have to deal with.
I think we need to be careful with GWS comparisons too.
Their development situation bears no resemblance to ours.
Their draft concessions allowed them to draft the cream of young talent and trade for experienced mature players.
Whatever time it took for them to develop, multiply that by two or three for us if we follow a similar path
GWS were given dollars to buy and trade with...we only have cents.
Re: 2018 Rd 20: Post Game Calm & Civilized Discussion: Carlton vs GWS - LoveNavy - 08-05-2018
(08-05-2018, 12:36 PM)blue4life link Wrote:What else can we do other than look around for cheap players?
We go to the draft and then try and trade in the best we can get but players like Dangerfield, Franklin and Treloar don't want to come to Carlton so we're left with the dregs.
It won't change until we start winning.
I tend to agree B4L. We'd generally only attract players for a limited range of reasons. Such as field or team position, personnel, location, $ etc. I'd guess most players in the trade window not seeking what we're offering are after on field success and will not consider us. See last trade season.
As a result SOS has very limited options. Thus we shop from the recycle bin. As SOS has said, some work out others don't. Some were specifically recruited to protect our young kids in the VFL. We all know what happened to that plan starting with Docherty's acl
Re: 2018 Rd 20: Post Game Calm & Civilized Discussion: Carlton vs GWS - blue4life - 08-05-2018
(08-05-2018, 12:42 PM)PaulP link Wrote:I get that. But I think there is a sweet spot between the Treloars of this world and the Mullets, and I'm just wondering if we can become better at identifying them ?
The sweet spot spot at the moment is Kennedy and Lang, Mullet was dirt cheap and recruited as insurance only.
The sweet spot will get sweeter as we start winning more games which will happen as this crop of youth matures.
I remember Richmond screaming when Geelong poached Ottens, the wheel turns.
Re: 2018 Rd 20: Post Game Calm & Civilized Discussion: Carlton vs GWS - JonHenry - 08-05-2018
(08-05-2018, 01:28 PM)blue4life link Wrote:The sweet spot spot at the moment is Kennedy and Lang, Mullet was dirt cheap and recruited as insurance only.
The sweet spot will get sweeter as we start winning more games which will happen as this crop of youth matures.
I remember Richmond screaming when Geelong poached Ottens, the wheel turns.
What we must do in the interim is bid players values up.
If they won’t come to us that’s one thing but giving other clubs cap relief is madness unless we get a great deal.
We need to jump on board with North and make these other clubs pay
Re: 2018 Rd 20: Post Game Calm & Civilized Discussion: Carlton vs GWS - PaulP - 08-05-2018
(08-05-2018, 01:28 PM)blue4life link Wrote:The sweet spot spot at the moment is Kennedy and Lang, Mullet was dirt cheap and recruited as insurance only.
The sweet spot will get sweeter as we start winning more games which will happen as this crop of youth matures.
I remember Richmond screaming when Geelong poached Ottens, the wheel turns.
Yes, I guess you're right.
Re: 2018 Rd 20: Post Game Calm & Civilized Discussion: Carlton vs GWS - blue4life - 08-06-2018
(08-05-2018, 07:46 PM)JonHenry link Wrote:What we must do in the interim is bid players values up.
If they won’t come to us that’s one thing but giving other clubs cap relief is madness unless we get a great deal.
We need to jump on board with North and make these other clubs pay
North have a history of picking up good players cheap, Bell, Sinclair and Pike come to mind, they also generally make astute trades with Hay being one exception.
Shcwass for Grant was a beauty.
They've always been low on resources so they've developed a culture accordingly, Carlton came from the other end of the spectrum and it's something we have struggled with.
Re: 2018 Rd 20: Post Game Calm & Civilized Discussion: Carlton vs GWS - Milhanna13 - 08-06-2018
(08-05-2018, 07:16 AM)PaulP link Wrote:Dead set jet.
Whitfield is 24, with 100 games. His first couple of years, people were questioning why he was taken no 1.
Sound familiar???
2 or 3 seasons and hoepfully Dow, OBrien, SPS, Cunningham and a few others are thought of the same