(05-01-2018, 08:39 AM)PaulP link Wrote:Richmond are a textbook example of a champion team as opposed to a team of champions. Looking at their list, you think they're average, but when they play together, the whole is much greater than the sum of their parts.

(05-01-2018, 08:52 AM)blue4life link Wrote:You could say the same and more about Footscray 2016 and Sydney 2012, and Collingwood 2010 wasn't a stellar team talent wise but they finished on top with a percentage of 141.
I'm not selling Richmond short, but I don't think that they're in the same class as the great Hawthorn, Geelong and Brisbane sides of the past two decades.
It all comes down to recruiting, if you can get all of your ducks in a row on that score the sky's the limit.

(04-29-2018, 02:32 PM)LP link Wrote:What evidence do you have to support that, are you sure history supports that claim?

(05-01-2018, 09:24 AM)kruddler link Wrote:Pretty confident.

But for those playing at home....

Sauce vs Kreuzer has occured 4 times previously.

Here is a quick breakdown.

R8, 2012 
Kreuzer (17HOs, 7 poss, 1 goal)
Jacobs (38, 6, 0)
*Hampson (29, 5, 0)

Sauce clearly better in the ruck than Kreuzer, so much so that Hampson was better than Kreuzer as well.

(05-01-2018, 09:24 AM)kruddler link Wrote:R10, 2015
Kreuzer (11, 11, 2)
Jacobs (39, 18, 1)
*Wood (17, 9, 0)

Sauce better than both Kreuzer and Wood combined. Despite kicking 2 goals to 1, our 2 players efforts were matched by their 1.

(05-01-2018, 09:24 AM)kruddler link Wrote:R16, 2016
Kreuzer (15,8,0)
Jacobs (36, 13, 3)
*Phillips (19,9, 0)

Sauce not only matched our 2 players efforts, but surpassed them with 3 goals. Jacobs 2 brownlow votes

(05-01-2018, 09:24 AM)kruddler link Wrote:R15, 2017
Kreuzer (42, 14, 0)
Jacobs (31, 10, 1)
*Casboult (8, 12, 2)
**Jenkins (9, 13, 3)

Even with Kreuzer in career best form, Jacobs was able to hit the scoreboard more, together with the respective backups.

So basically Jacobs has been able to outdo the work of 2 of our ruckmen himself in most instances.

(05-01-2018, 01:33 PM)LP link Wrote:Kruddler, you made very sweeping stupid statement, and spent a lot of time formulating an elaborate cherry picked but extremely thin defence of it! ;D
And Tippett and Jenkins, in a game we played Kreuzer as a forward and had Hampson 1st ruck?
R10 was Kreuzer's first game back from injury after missing the start of 2015.
Yes, 2016, the season Kreuzer played on after injuring his knee about mid-season
So even when he plays well unhindered by injury you talk him down to prove your point.

A match report for the Crows read; Sam Jacobs;- Would want to rebound strongly next week as Matthew Kreuzer won the big man contest easily.

(05-01-2018, 09:36 PM)madbluboy link Wrote:I like Kreuzer but I would never want our club to use a top draft pick on a ruckman again.

(05-01-2018, 11:43 PM)flyboy77 link Wrote:Neither Gibbs, Murphy or Kreuzer has ever really been a stand out #1 draft pick....

Good, but very seldom great i.e. match winners.

I reckon in each case - if we had our time again - different choices would be made....

Hopefully Weitering comes good!

(05-01-2018, 11:04 PM)kruddler link Wrote:So reading into that, what you are telling me is that when Kreuzer gets beaten by sauce this week, you will say "Oh its because it was his first game back from injury and thats why he was beaten by sauce"

If he is good enough, he is good enough. He simply doesn't match up on sauce well who outdoes him around the ground and in front of goals.

No harm in that, sauce is an awesome ruck.
Just saying, give Phillips the job and rest kreuzer until he is fully fit.