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Re: Rd 21: Post Game Passion: Carlton vs Brisbane - Peter Brady - 08-14-2016
I'm not downplaying his value in fact I'm saying he's a player that has value and one other clubs would look at.
We're not going to get anything putting a Jones up for trade and too often that's the type of player that's suggested.
We also need to look at the deals and make sure what we're offered is better than what we're giving away. If the price is right do the deal. If we have, as is suggested, some Key Position targets lined up then Casboult may be surplus to our needs. We wont need him to look after the young ones, but he may be a player another club could use.
Supporters often overvalue their own players but Casboult is the type of player that the opposition might look at and think "Great mark, Strong presence, we can fix that kicking." He has value, can we use that to our advantage. You don't shut the door on that without seeing what's offered, especially if he's asking for solid cash.
Re: Rd 21: Post Game Passion: Carlton vs Brisbane - laj - 08-14-2016
Dylan Buckley really building form the last month , ran hard the whole game ,a high 509 meters gained for him and 8 score involvements and 7 pressure acts .
Like what he has done for the last few weeks.
Re: Rd 21: Post Game Passion: Carlton vs Brisbane - laj - 08-14-2016
(08-14-2016, 10:01 AM)Peter Brady link Wrote:I'm not downplaying his value in fact I'm saying he's a player that has value and one other clubs would look at.
We're not going to get anything putting a Jones up for trade and too often that's the type of player that's suggested.
We also need to look at the deals and make sure what we're offered is better than what we're giving away. If the price is right do the deal. If we have, as is suggested, some Key Position targets lined up then Casboult may be surplus to our needs. We wont need him to look after the young ones, but he may be a player another club could use.
Supporters often overvalue their own players but Casboult is the type of player that the opposition might look at and think "Great mark, Strong presence, we can fix that kicking." He has value, can we use that to our advantage. You don't shut the door on that without seeing what's offered, especially if he's asking for solid cash.
He's not surplus to our needs. If he's great mark, strong presence then given our other options we keep him. Anyone who knows anything about the game knows you don't put young kids in key positions as our no.1, unless you don't want them to develop. We might get a draft pick, but we might screw the development of a potential young gun key forward. We need to use our brains here. Not as if we still have Waite and Henderson.
Re: Rd 21: Post Game Passion: Carlton vs Brisbane - blue4life - 08-14-2016
(08-14-2016, 09:13 AM)LP link Wrote:1. Don't agree with that at all, if a club sees a need for a Casboult type they'll pay and we won't have to give up squat! It's not a swap meet, I don't want us doing any more Hampson type deals. Sellers have control, not buyers.
I'd like to do another dozen Hampson type deals, we effectively swapped him for Docherty.
A trade like that happens once in a lifetime.
Re: Rd 21: Post Game Passion: Carlton vs Brisbane - blue4life - 08-14-2016
(08-14-2016, 09:43 AM)DJC link Wrote:I would be signing Casboult to a three year deal.
There's no need.
Despite what rabid Carlton supporters think of him his trade value is minimal, I agree with Laj that we need him at this stage but that's because we have the weakest front half in the AFL and only unproven kids to take his place.
We'll probably need to hang onto him for two years but if he's still getting a game in 2019 we're going nowhere.
Re: Rd 21: Post Game Passion: Carlton vs Brisbane - DJC - 08-14-2016
(08-14-2016, 04:55 AM)LP link Wrote:I think Casboult is a good option as the 2nd marking target, he's no good when he has the main marking role.
McKay and C.Curnow will be the key to Casboult's retention and success. If they can hold a spot in the 1s Casboult will be a difficult match for anybody.
Casboult is sixth in the comp for contested marks and he's been our only marking target for most of the season.
Rather than having a first or second marking target, we need several strong contested marks, players who can mark on the lead, players who know how to lead and players who can get behind their defenders. We seem to have three in Casboult, Charlie Curnow and SOJ, and McKay could make the fourth. Add a top class small forward to the mix, and midfielders who can hit targets, and we'd have a decent forward line.
Re: Rd 21: Post Game Passion: Carlton vs Brisbane - ElwoodBlues1 - 08-14-2016
Agree on re-signing Casboult...worth more to us than on the open market and everyone on this forum knows he plays better and is more effective with another KP forward taking some heat off him...even an average one like Liam Jones... why he hasnt been playing remains a mystery to me...he does try, and both him and the Boult seem to work together ok..if Jones had kicked straight vs the Lion we might have won...
3 year deal seems reasonable given the market and the lack of forwards.....I'd be after Stewart from GWS but more to replace Jones ....
Re: Rd 21: Post Game Passion: Carlton vs Brisbane - Gointocarlton - 08-14-2016
(08-14-2016, 10:08 AM)laj link Wrote:Dylan Buckley really building form the last month , ran hard the whole game ,a high 509 meters gained for him and 8 score involvements and 7 pressure acts .Agree Jim, just needs to polish up the finishing.
Like what he has done for the last few weeks.
Re: Rd 21: Post Game Passion: Carlton vs Brisbane - Brettie - 08-14-2016
Do not care one iota about our 2nd half, our I50's or our missed opportunities......fact is, Brisbane should never have been in a position to win this game EVER based on the year they've been having. There are no excuses, it was an utter disgrace.
Said in the post-game thread last week that if we dished that up again, I'd give Brisbane half a chance.....and look what they did!? FMD.......
Rockliff has enjoyed feasting out on a total of 83....that's right - 83 possessions against us this year. Any danger of us putting any sort of work into him??? FMD......
I've got absolutely no doubts whatsoever Essendon will be celebrating hard in 2 weeks time with their 3rd win of the season.
un-fcuking-believable how badly this season has turned into utter shhit.....
Jesus-F-Christ.......
Re: Rd 21: Post Game Passion: Carlton vs Brisbane - Blue Moon - 08-14-2016
Got to watch the game at the Gabba, god we were appalling in the first half. Someone on this site keeps saying Carlton should be playing with two key forwards, I think we should try this because we certainly didn't have two key forwards on Saturday. Our kicking is dreadful. I am not sure whether our field kicking is worse or our goal kicking is worse. Silvagni is our second best forward, C Curnow is our best. It is a worry our two best forwards are first year players. Buckley needs to improve his decision making. He should have kicked a goal in the last and he should have set up Phillips in the third when we he was clear. Kerridge would be a great player if he could kick. Jones doesn't have the mental strength to be an AFL player. That goal he missed in the second quarter was pathetic. I was right behind him and he never looked like it. It was lucky to hit the post, and to kick the ball into the man on the mark a minute later compounded the folly. Thomas is cooked. Let him get to 200 games and then that will be it. He tries hard, he puts his body on the line, his brain is operating, but he just can't get to the contest. Once again he never looked like kicking that goal in the last quarter. Cunningham looked ok but need to see more of him. We are at least one quality mid-fielder short. We need Murphy back and we need one more. This would allow Curnow, Graham and Kerridge to bat down the order more. Our disposal out of the back line is hopeless. I am really running out of adjectives. Simpso Docherty and Touhy can all kick, but the continually miss their targets. I would hate to be a forward. You could see at the end of this match that this loss really hurt. Maybe if they had turned up to play in the first half, then this would not have been a loss. There are some really good opportunities for the future but bthere are going to be some dark days.