Rd 12: Post Game Purgatory: Carlton vs St. Kilda

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Re: Rd 12: Post Game Purgatory: Carlton vs St. Kilda - IvanAwfulbigone - 06-13-2016

(06-13-2016, 04:01 AM)shadesy link Wrote:I expected to be 6-6, i thought we would drop 1 out of Brisbane and St Kilda. Saints were good yesterday, strangled our space and waited for us to inevitably turn it over. We had no flow ...

This is what perplexed me the most - our patience in switching it until we could push through any zone or flood has been very good these last few months and suddenly it all seemed to fall in a heap for some reason.

I agree someone like Armfield should have run with Steven but he looked to be limping by half time anyway.

Re: Rd 12: Post Game Purgatory: Carlton vs St. Kilda - LP - 06-13-2016

(06-13-2016, 07:16 AM)IvanAwfulbigone link Wrote:This is what perplexed me the most - our patience in switching it until we could push through any zone or flood has been very good these last few months and suddenly it all seemed to fall in a heap for some reason.

I agree someone like Armfield should have run with Steven but he looked to be limping by half time anyway.

Do you think we can make plans and implement them in the complete absence of countermeasures from the opposition?

Our wins are more about the coach than the playing list, a coach who builds plans based on his knowledge of the opponents.

Fans credit the players too much when we win, and blame the coach too much when we lose! But know this, our wins wont be so easy 2nd time around as clubs have seen what we do.

St Kilda was always a danger game because like us they are a club full of new faces and new plans that most opponents have not experienced yet. Our apparent lack of effectiveness against them was due to our coaching panels lack of exposure to St Kilda, we will be better next time.

Be happy that we have a coach who adjusts to the opponent and not a coach who copies out the default game plan like a Xerox machine!

Re: Rd 12: Post Game Purgatory: Carlton vs St. Kilda - ElwoodBlues1 - 06-13-2016

(06-13-2016, 04:01 AM)shadesy link Wrote:I expected to be 6-6, i thought we would drop 1 out of Brisbane and St Kilda. Saints were good yesterday, strangled our space and waited for us to inevitably turn it over. We had no flow and guys i think have been reading the Press to much.

I actually have no problems with this loss and got on with life fairly quickly.

I think we need some help in the middle. Our midfield is basically:
Curnow, Cripps, Gibbs and Kerridge. Thomas as well. Sumner gives us little around teh contest, Lamb is raw (very pleased with him overall), Doc and Simmo to valuable down back.
Not a lot in the Ressies either, with Graham, Whiley and Tutt, but would not be adverse in bringing those guys in.

This is what annoyed me the most:

This was the 6th time Jack Steven received the ball from the Centre Clearance... in the exact same spot... In the 3rd quarter alone. Re-Watch the 3rd and watch where he receives the ball everytime. No effort to have athe sweeper, to block his run, to come off the wing.... Clearance, Mark, Goal...Repeat.

Said the same thing...we setup in the middle like we were winning the tapouts...Steven just ran onto Hickeys tapouts with no one in front of him......
I would have had Sumner on Steven..not Curnow ...was poor coaching and planning...

Re: Rd 12: Post Game Purgatory: Carlton vs St. Kilda - Brettie - 06-13-2016

(06-13-2016, 07:30 AM)ElwoodBlues1 link Wrote:Said the same thing...we setup in the middle like we were winning the tapouts...Steven just ran onto Hickeys tapouts with no one in front of him......
I would have had Sumner on Steven..not Curnow ...was poor coaching and planning...

And we set up exactly the same way against the Kangaroos, when we pretty much had no ruckman.

As I said then & keep saying after yesterday, it's an issue the coaching group just can't seem to grasp or be able to develop a tactic to counter.......for mine, it's our one major flaw at the moment.

Re: Rd 12: Post Game Purgatory: Carlton vs St. Kilda - DJC - 06-13-2016

(06-13-2016, 08:21 AM)Brettie link Wrote:And we set up exactly the same way against the Kangaroos, when we pretty much had no ruckman.

As I said then & keep saying after yesterday, it's an issue the coaching group just can't seem to grasp or be able to develop a tactic to counter.......for mine, it's our one major flaw at the moment.

I thought that it was a bit of a rookie mistake. In fact, I think Richardson gave Bolton a lesson in coaching. I expect that he will learn from it and boys will be working on a set up to counter a dominant opposition ruck.

Re: Rd 12: Post Game Purgatory: Carlton vs St. Kilda - kruddler - 06-13-2016

(06-13-2016, 08:26 AM)DJC link Wrote:I thought that it was a bit of a rookie mistake. In fact, I think Richardson gave Bolton a lesson in coaching. I expect that he will learn from it and boys will be working on a set up to counter a dominant opposition ruck.

You think they would've done that after Goldstein blitzed us a few weeks ago!

Re: Rd 12: Post Game Purgatory: Carlton vs St. Kilda - cookie2 - 06-13-2016

Kreuz obviously wasn't able to play the game expected of him IMO. We were caught out then since Gorringe is not a ruckman so we had no other options. Having Phillips there hopefully will make a positive difference.

Re: Rd 12: Post Game Purgatory: Carlton vs St. Kilda - laj - 06-13-2016

(06-13-2016, 08:26 AM)DJC link Wrote:I thought that it was a bit of a rookie mistake. In fact, I think Richardson gave Bolton a lesson in coaching. I expect that he will learn from it and boys will be working on a set up to counter a dominant opposition ruck.

Yes, you can win clearances against a losing ruck if you set up properly. Freo lost the clearances many, many times despite Sandliands dominate in the tapout dept.

It was just last week Hinkley said that you want either a winning or losing ruck. It's predictable and you can set up for it. It's anything in-between that's causes more problems, especially if you hope to win and you lose.

I wouldn't care if we lost the tapout dept every week if those ruckmen played great footy around the ground. To me alot more value. Like I said, you can set up to a losing ruck.

Re: Rd 12: Post Game Purgatory: Carlton vs St. Kilda - cookie2 - 06-13-2016

(06-13-2016, 10:19 AM)laj link Wrote:Yes, you can win clearances against a losing ruck if you set up properly. Freo lost the clearances many, many times despite Sandliands dominate in the tapout dept.

It was just last week Hinkley said that you want either a winning or losing ruck. It's predictable and you can set up for it. It's anything in-between that's causes more problems, especially if you hope to win and you lose.

I wouldn't care if we lost the tapout dept every week if those ruckmen played great footy around the ground. To me alot more value. Like I said, you can set up to a losing ruck.

But we didn't do that either.

Re: Rd 12: Post Game Purgatory: Carlton vs St. Kilda - Jean-Claude - 06-13-2016

Was not surprised at all after last week against Brisbane as we were just as bad then but the lions were just worse. Saints were geared up for this match all week while we looked like we already have one eye on the break.

We will hit rough patches as the honey moon period and hype fizzle out but the test will be to hang tough for the rest of the season.

Bolts got schooled a bit by Richardson in the coaching and tactics stakes but will learn from it. Doc stood up again even when the team was poor which was a great sign.