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The forward line 2024 - who plays and how is it structured? - DJC - 02-16-2024
When I did Kruddler's best 22, my forward line was:
HF: Martin McKay Owies
F: Motlop Curnow Silvagni
with Cottrell on the bench as the seventh forward and Docherty moving between wing and half forward.
Obviously, with Jack's tragic injury, there's an opening for another forward, but did I get the structure and personnel right?
We're going to go with two rucks and De Koning is going to spend time forward both to spell Charlie and Harry and to play as a third tall. Do we need a like for like replacement for Silvagni or can we cover the third tall role with a combination of De Koning and medium forwards like Martin?
My post-Silvagni ACL forward line is:
HF: Martin McKay Cottrell
F: Motlop Curnow Owies
with Docherty and De Koning as part time forwards and other midfielders resting forward from time to time. I'm not entirely sure who to have on the bench as the seventh forward but I'll go with Cuningham.
Re: The forward line 2024 - who plays and how is it structured? - kruddler - 02-16-2024
I reckon the closest thing we have to replace Jack Silvagni and his style as a forward is actually Patty Cripps, but he'll be used in the midfield.
So next best is the poor mans Patty Cripps - Matt Kennedy. He is kinda getting squeezed out of the midfield, so needs another string to his bow, and that is as a forward. He's played there as a junior. He played there before. He kicked 3 goals on debut. He is a good mark, obviously good once the ball hits the deck and doesn't mind contact. He'd be 'my guy' to take over from Jack.
Of course the added benefit is he could swap with Cripps in the middle if/when required as well.
For mine....
HF - Martin - Charlie - Owies
FF - Motlop - McKay - Kennedy
I'd have both Cottrell and Cuningham on the bench as forward/mid options.
Re: The forward line 2024 - who plays and how is it structured? - tonyo - 02-16-2024
I have a feeling we are going to need to find a fwd-mid role for Elijah Hollands - and Motlop and Owies will have Cory Durdin and Orazio breathing down their necks.
The forward structure is the key to going the next step - in the last part of the 2023 season, our scoring dried up a bit . We need to consistently kick 13+ goals a game to make sure we win the lion's share of games.
Re: The forward line 2024 - who plays and how is it structured? - LP - 02-16-2024
(02-16-2024, 01:56 AM)kruddler date Wrote:For mine....Agreed, this would be my starting F50 as well.
HF - Martin - Charlie - Owies
FF - Motlop - McKay - Kennedy
I'd have both Cottrell and Cuningham on the bench as forward/mid options.
No doubt about Cripps being used in F50 rotations, last season was the tell, his F50 craft has gone to another level and I'm hoping Walsh, Martin, Williams and Doc all stay fit as it means Cripps won't be as buggered when he pushes forward. That's a beautiful thing for the likes of Martin, Cottrell, Acres, Kennedy and perhaps even McGovern, Kemp or Doc, because the opposition can't put a dud on Cripps anymore meaning they get a downgrade, or even better float in unattended.
As long as our F50 smalls including Motlop and Owies work hard dragging opponents all over the deck, and chase down the turnovers, it's looking like we have a lethal setup.
Re: The forward line 2024 - who plays and how is it structured? - Blue Moon - 02-16-2024
With Harry and Charlie our key forwards, Cottrell and Martin our medium forwards and Motlop and Owies our small forwards, l think the seventh position will be between, Fogarty, E. Hollands, Cuningham, Fantasia, Durdin and Binns. Jack Carroll is going to find a position. Moir and Lemmey will be development projects. Players like TDK, Kennedy and O. Hollands will spend time going through the forward line as well.
Re: The forward line 2024 - who plays and how is it structured? - Gointocarlton - 02-16-2024
Harry and Charlie, every one else get out of the farken way.
Re: The forward line 2024 - who plays and how is it structured? - DJC - 02-18-2024
(02-16-2024, 07:54 AM)Gointocarlton link Wrote:Harry and Charlie, every one else get out of the farken way.
Yes, there's a lot to be said for that approach
The idea of Kennedy as Jack's replacement has merit but, apart from his four goal haul against Cold Toast, he hasn't been a success when played as a dedicated forward. Most third tall defenders would have his measure and I think that his best position is as a midfielder who rests forward on a medium defender.
From what we've heard from players and coaches and from what has been reported from training and match sims;
* De Koning and Pittonet are going to share the ruck duties with De Koning resting forward.
* Docherty is going to play as midfielder/forward.
* Cottrell is going to play as a forward (which means he'll be all over the ground).
* Motlop is a lock for a small forward position.
* Elijah Hollands is almost certain to play from Round 3 and could play as a midfielder/forward.
* Rob Monahan is impressing as a medium forward but, realistically, would have to shine in the VFL to be considered for a spot later in the season.
* Corey Durdin isn't doing contact work and is destined to start in the VFL when he's fit.
* Vossy is happy with with the roles players now have and does not want to make positional changes. It's unlikely that potential swingmen - Kemp and McGovern - will play as forwards.
That leaves us with McKay and Curnow (with Lemmey as back up) as out tall forwards, three medium forwards (Martin, Cuningham and Cottrell), two small forwards (Motlop and Owies) and Docherty rotating through the midfield and forward line. De Koning will spend time as a key forward, both when resting and when giving McKay or Curnow a spell. Other midfielders will spend time in the forward line as occasional medium forwards or tall forward in Cripps' case.
The problem with that structure is that the opposition's third tall defender, say Lever, Stewart, Howe, etc, will lack an opponent in marking contests and will be able to help try to nullify McKay and Curnow as well as taking intercept marks. A lot will rely on Martin and Cottrell keeping the third tall defender honest in the air and exploiting them when the ball comes to ground.
It will be interesting to see how we line up against Geelong on Thursday morning ...
Re: The forward line 2024 - who plays and how is it structured? - kruddler - 02-18-2024
(02-18-2024, 04:57 AM)DJC link Wrote:The problem with that structure is that the opposition's third tall defender, say Lever, Stewart, Howe, etc, will lack an opponent in marking contests and will be able to help try to nullify McKay and Curnow as well as taking intercept marks. A lot will rely on Martin and Cottrell keeping the third tall defender honest in the air and exploiting them when the ball comes to ground.
I am of the opinion that 2 rucks are overkill, but we have no backup options, so for where we are in terms of list i can accept 2 rucks as required.
So, with that in mind, we need to use them effectively.
As a result, i would like to think that our 2nd/resting ruck, will play deep and force a tall opponent to stand him. TDK, is the obvious one, but even Pittonet needs to be down there and make them accountable. It will allow Harry to play CHF and allow Charlie to go wherever the hell he wants, depending on who is left standing him. If its a tall, run up to the wings. If its a smaller running player, play deep also and get it kicked on your head.
The only way we can make a 3rd tall accountable, is to play a 3rd tall in a position that will hurt the opposition and make them take notice.
Kennedy will do well as the 3rd tall in terms of output.
TDK/Pittonet will do well in terms of keeping the defenders honest.
I suspect it will change around depending on our opponents.
Ideally, i'd be working towards a team that has 1 ruck and 1 ruck only, whoever that is.
Re: The forward line 2024 - who plays and how is it structured? - Lods - 02-18-2024
If both rucks are fit, they will both play.
Re: The forward line 2024 - who plays and how is it structured? - LP - 02-18-2024
(02-18-2024, 04:57 AM)DJC date Wrote:* De Koning and Pittonet are going to share the ruck duties with De Koning resting forward.They'll share the ruck duties but the bulk of the rotation will be off the bench, except when TDK has the opportunity to float forward in rotations that will include himself, BigH and Cripps.
If Pitto is not rucking but on the field I expect him to float defensive side of centre, and I can see especially in Weiters early absence, that Pitto helps out across CHB.