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For Discussion - townsendcalling - 12-15-2015
The first of the 2016 Preditions in the media: Herald Sun today.
DARK NAVY BLUES
WOODEN spooners. It’s hard to see Carlton winning more than four games and climbing off the bottom of the ladder to avoid back-to-back wooden spoons. The Blues brought in 15 new players during the off-season and while they aren’t short on talent, they are on experience. Brendon Bolton will be given time to mould the list into a premiership outfit and 2016 will about giving them exposure. Carlton took four key position players from its five national draft picks, with Jacob Weitering the only one equipped to step straight into senior footy. Harry McKay, Charlie Curnow and Jack Silvagni will all take time.
Thoughts.
Re: For Discussion - shadesy - 12-15-2015
We will win more than 4 games.
Re: For Discussion - DJC - 12-15-2015
(12-15-2015, 08:45 AM)townsendcalling link Wrote:The first of the 2016 Preditions in the media: Herald Sun today.
DARK NAVY BLUES
WOODEN spooners. It’s hard to see Carlton winning more than four games and climbing off the bottom of the ladder to avoid back-to-back wooden spoons. The Blues brought in 15 new players during the off-season and while they aren’t short on talent, they are on experience. Brendon Bolton will be given time to mould the list into a premiership outfit and 2016 will about giving them exposure. Carlton took four key position players from its five national draft picks, with Jacob Weitering the only one equipped to step straight into senior footy. Harry McKay, Charlie Curnow and Jack Silvagni will all take time.
Thoughts.
Uninformed drivel >
Curnow and Cuningham will get games under their belt in the first half of the season, McKay will break into the side in the second half of the season and Silvagni may get a game or two.
However, as Flyboy pointed out in another thread:
(12-13-2015, 01:37 PM)flyboy77 link Wrote:Plenty of non performers in 2015 for a host of reasons - not just Malthouse - so plenty of room for organic improvement even before the recent trade and draft periods.
If Kreuzer, Gibbs, Murphy, Walker (as a forward FFS) and Thomas have good seasons - that in itself is a big, big gain on 2015.
All we need is for a couple of the GWS and Adelaide retreads to step up and a good run with injuries and our list is significantly better than last season. Add in a competent coach and a modern game plan that suits the list and 7-10 wins is achievable.
Re: For Discussion - kruddler - 12-15-2015
(12-15-2015, 09:10 AM)DJC link Wrote:Uninformed drivel >
Curnow and Cuningham will get games under their belt in the first half of the season, McKay will break into the side in the second half of the season and Silvagni may get a game or two.
However, as Flyboy pointed out in another thread:
All we need is for a couple of the GWS and Adelaide retreads to step up and a good run with injuries and our list is significantly better than last season. Add in a competent coach and a modern game plan that suits the list and 7-10 wins is achievable.
Re the bold part. I disagree.
Silvagni will only get a game if we are dead last and tanking in the last couple of rounds. Otherwise, we'd be lucky to see him in 2017 i think. He hasn't even played footy for what 6 months?
The others may well get game time, but i'd suggest a lot later than you predict and only if injuries hit. Curnow is my tip to get gametime first. But i don't expect to see him before the halfway point.
The reason?
All the GWS/Adelaide boys we've got, together with the players we have coming back from injuries last year.
Players like Thomas, Byrne, Sheehan, Graham were all unavailable for most of the season.
I dunno, i'd go through 30-35 players before i got to any of our new recruits.
Re: For Discussion - Mantis - 12-15-2015
I see us improving no doubt. I don't think we will win another spoon. Surely a better coaching group with a better suited game plan along with players playing who want to win and stay at the club will be a good start for us. Thomas, Kreuzer getting more game time will also help. Surely we are good for 6 to 8 wins at least.
Re: For Discussion - jeza - 12-15-2015
We've got the least AFL-proven players in the comp so we deserve every bit of our wooden spoon favoritism.
Injuries seem to be an ongoing factor for us unfortunately - Murphy shoulder not coming right already has to be a significant concern. Plowman hip operation. We've got a bit of a jinx going which sucks.
However... the biggest thing we have going for us is probably Bolton. If he can get it right his impact could be immediate and if we can somehow keep Kreuze/Cripps/Murph/Gibbs/Thomas injury free for the whole season we'll have a core to build around and be a lot more competitive.
At best 6 wins for me. At worst - lots of injuries and a total train wreck.
Re: For Discussion - DJC - 12-15-2015
(12-15-2015, 09:29 AM)kruddler link Wrote:Re the bold part. I disagree.
Silvagni will only get a game if we are dead last and tanking in the last couple of rounds. Otherwise, we'd be lucky to see him in 2017 i think. He hasn't even played footy for what 6 months?
The others may well get game time, but i'd suggest a lot later than you predict and only if injuries hit. Curnow is my tip to get gametime first. But i don't expect to see him before the halfway point.
The reason?
All the GWS/Adelaide boys we've got, together with the players we have coming back from injuries last year.
Players like Thomas, Byrne, Sheehan, Graham were all unavailable for most of the season.
I dunno, i'd go through 30-35 players before i got to any of our new recruits.
I'm wearing my optimist hat Kruddler
The fact that the original assessment doesn't take into account our retreads is the main reason why I reckon it's drivel!
However, Weitering should be in the mix from round 1 but probably not as a dedicated key defender. I agree that Curnow is likely to be next cab off the rank as he seems more physically ready to match it with mature bodies. Cuningham will need to light it up in the NBs if he is to get a run and McKay will probably come in as a third tall if he kicks a few bags in the NBs.
As you say, we have a lot of players with potential who, for one reason or another, didn't have much impact last season. With the exception of Weitering, and probably Curnow, our newbies will have their work cut out to get a game. However, I suspect that it will happen as part of their development, but they will not be gifted games.
That genuine competition for a game is one of the reasons I think we'll start to climb up the ladder.
Re: For Discussion - crashlander - 12-15-2015
(12-15-2015, 08:52 AM)shadesy link Wrote:We will win more than 4 games.Absolutely. We will be disrespected until teams find out the hard way if we can play or not.
But the biggest things will be how our list holds together. If we get the injuries we got this year, we are cooked. They are correct, we are very short on experience. If guys fall over, then we will be in trouble.
However, having Gibbs, Thomas, Byrne, Sheehan, Kreuzer, Murphy and Graham in and contributing, where Yarran, Henderson and Menzel did not or could not, will make us more competitive.
I do not expect miracles, but if we can keep something like our best 20 odd on the field, we will win games against 'good' sides. And that is not considering any reasonable contributions from our newbies.
We beat Port and should have beaten Adelaide before our list fell apart. Both of them are rated much higher than us. We will win games. But if we have to depend on our new chums and rookies, then we are in trouble.
I am not sure why we have been hit so hard by injury in recent times, but having Murphy and Plowman already have operations does not bode well. But it is something most teams will face. Take the best 6 players out of Hawthorn's lineup and they don't win either. In fact, the team on the bottom usually has a significant injury issue to players it cannot afford to miss. Looks at Gold Coast this year and in 2014: no Ablett and they were worthless.
Re: For Discussion - ElwoodBlues1 - 12-15-2015
Problem is while we will improve so will a lot of the other teams......4-6 wins is about right IMO.....with a few hammering's in between...
We have a lot of new players who dont even have a regular position to play in, its very much a experimental year IMO, 15 new players will mean a lack of system for a while
as players work out what their team-mates are doing and game plans dont get learned in one season...
We dont have a confirmed captain yet and lack leadership...the coach is a novice who learned to fly on a modern jet that you could set to auto pilot.......we are a DC4 that needs everyone playing well just to get off the ground......I would lower my expectations and not expect too much so we wont be disappointed and place pressure on BB.
I think we will be bottom four....
Re: For Discussion - Lods - 12-15-2015
Wooden Spoon?
A little bit of stability around the place will ensure this doesn't happen.
Because if it does, there won't be any 'stability' around the place.
....and if anyone wants to argue that's 'old Carlton' thinking...watch what happens.
